LGF II: Charles and Killgore Free Footballs

December 19, 2008

WrathofG-d banned from LGF because of fight with Sharmuta

Islamist supporter Sharmuta has gotten WrathofG-d banned. The reason, an argument over Evolution.

178 WrathofG-d 12/18/08 5:17:58 pm reply quote -14

re: #174 Killgore Trout

Killgore, let’s be honest here. (A) You are right. The cause here on LGF was led by morons for the most part. (B) If Charles were instead a Biblical Literalist, 80% or so on LGF would be professing their love for the Creation. To deny that group think, and the power of Charles on LGF, had anything to do with it is a bit naive. Is it all of it? No way! But we cannot ignore the obvious.

183 Sharmuta 12/18/08 5:19:34 pm reply quote 7

re: #178 WrathofG-d

More insults! Yeah- we’re all just sheeple who can’t think for ourselves. Thankfully, we have Charles to tell us what to think, but you’d rather say it’s the supporters of science that are insulting. Personally- I’ve found the creationists to be the more insulting ones, and you’re backing up my point. Thanks.

191 Sharmuta 12/18/08 5:22:09 pm reply quote 4

re: #184 WrathofG-d

The Wedge Strategy. Read up on it, because these folks would like to get their hands on your children and “bring them to Jesus”.

194 WrathofG-d 12/18/08 5:22:32 pm reply quote -8

re: #183 Sharmuta

More insults! Yeah- we’re all just sheeple who can’t think for ourselves. Thankfully, we have Charles to tell us what to think, but you’d rather say it’s the supporters of science that are insulting. Personally- I’ve found the creationists to be the more insulting ones, and you’re backing up my point. Thanks.

I NEVER stated that everyone that believed in Evolution was a sheeple. In fact, when I was typing that statement I surely didn’t have you specifically in mind. Honestly, I didn’t have any poster specifically in mind. It is interesting that you believed I was referring to you however.

209 Sharmuta 12/18/08 5:27:23 pm reply quote 8

re: #202 WrathofG-d

I don’t think I have you pegged wrong at all. It’s not the first time you’ve insulted Charles and LGFers.

214 WrathofG-d 12/18/08 5:29:13 pm reply quote -7

re: #201 Sharmuta

Find me a thread where most DISAGREE with Charles and I will consider changing my mind.

217 WrathofG-d 12/18/08 5:30:01 pm reply quote -11

re: #209 Sharmuta

I see you are working to get me banned. You really should relax. I don’t hold such hard feelings towards you.

221 Sharmuta 12/18/08 5:31:07 pm reply quote 3

re: #217 WrathofG-d

No- you’re doing fine on your own.

Ignore my link to the Wedge Strategy. No skin off my nose.

Then the Charles comes in to help his lackey

256 Charles 12/18/08 5:42:21 pm reply quote 14

I see WrathofG-D is making it all about him again.

He was banned once before for this kind of stuff, of course. Looks like it’s been eating at him.

261 WrathofG-d 12/18/08 5:44:13 pm reply quote 0

re: #242 NY Nana

Nana,

I made a comment about the posters on LGF, and Sharm misstated that it was an attack on Charles. Everyone knows the quickest way to get banned around here is to attack Charles. Thus I believe my statement was accurate. I am actually NOT looking for a fight, quite the opposite actually. You know me well enough to know that, I would have thought.

263 Charles 12/18/08 5:45:18 pm reply quote 9

re: #261 WrathofG-d

Nana,

I made a comment about the posters on LGF, and Sharm misstated that it was an attack on Charles. Everyone knows the quickest way to get banned around here is to attack Charles. Thus I believe my statement was accurate. I am actually NOT looking for a fight, quite the opposite actually.

You know me well enough to know that, I would have thought.

Actually, there is a quicker way, and you just found it. I bid you adieu.

This was a set up. Charles banned the poster because he said the truth, LGF is a yes cult!

(Hat tip:Bweep)

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178 Comments »

  1. Wow, that’s our Sharmuta at work for us, eh? Wrath of G-d, welcome to LGF 2! LOL

    Comment by Lex, Agent of Chaos — December 19, 2008 @ 11:01 am

  2. More insults! Yeah- we’re all just sheeple who can’t think for ourselves. Thankfully, we have Charles to tell us what to think, but you’d rather say it’s the supporters of science that are insulting.

    Finally, she admits it!

    Comment by arwynkafir — December 19, 2008 @ 11:08 am

  3. There is so much wrong with this thread at the original LGF that I hardly know where to begin!

    Sharmuta said,

    we have Charles to tell us what to think, but you’d rather say it’s the supporters of science that are insulting

    Personally- I’ve found the creationists to be the more insulting ones, and you’re backing up my point. Thanks.

    Yes, continue to mischaracterize your opponents by falsely depicting them as being “against science” just because they disagree with you over the interpretation of data in one field of science!

    Brilliant Sharmuta, way to go; keep it up!

    As far as being insulting- now, I can’t vouch for what has gone on at LGF in the past few months, since I haven’t really visited LGF during that time.

    But while I was there, the “creationists” (which is incorrectly interchanged with “intelligent designers” at LGF by the Macro-Evolutionists there as though both terms mean the same thing) were going out of their way to be polite because they knew that anything less would get them the “ban stick.”

    In some cases, they got banned anyway, despite having been polite. I was one such case.

    Though I was nothing but polite to Killgore Trout -I wasn’t rude to him- he interjected obscene language in his comments to me during an exhange about evolution. He was also very condescending.

    Killgore Trout’s vulgarity, venom, and hate was entirely unprovoked by me.

    I even remained polite to him even in the face of his rudeness, and this Sharmuta person has the audacity to portray the anti-Macro-Evolutionts as the ones who are being insulting? She is a liar.

    She also said,The Wedge Strategy. Read up on it, because these folks would like to get their hands on your children and “bring them to Jesus”. Oh no, horror of horrors, someone might come to believe in Jesus, we can’t have that!

    Because once they accept Jesus, you just know the next step is to fly air liners into buildings while screaming “Praise Jesus.” -(sarcasm there, obviously.)

    Her “Jesus” slip was quite Freudian. I think that is what lies at the heart of why these people are so vehemently against ID/Creationism: they hate God, or a belief in God, and by extension, they hate anyone who is a theist.

    I think the Darwinists such as “Sharmuta” support Macro Evolution not out of a devotion to or love of science, but because it fits in with their naturalistic, anti-super natural, anti-theistic world view.

    People like her are so bigoted and paranoid that no criticism of Macro Evolution is even permitted – not at LGF, not in scientific journals, not in universities, not in high schools.

    I even suggested at LGF that putting aside any pro-ID or pro-Creationism points, putting aside any mention of God, the Bible, or any sort of theology, why not allow opponents of Macro Evolution equal time in the classroom to make a case against Macro Evolution?
    And of course, that was still not acceptable to the Darwinists. It is one of their dogmas.

    You can’t even present a negative case against Macro Evolution using non-biblical resources; that is how narrow minded people like Killgore Trout, Sharmuta, and Johnson are.

    Johnson said, “Actually, there is a quicker way, and you just found it. I bid you adieu.”

    What does that even mean, anyway?
    ————–
    Side note: I left a comment for “Lex Agent of Change” in this thread

    Comment by rainydayweather — December 19, 2008 @ 11:21 am

  4. I feel for her children.

    Comment by arwynkafir — December 19, 2008 @ 11:23 am

  5. Correction on post above-
    She [Sharmuta] also said,
    “The Wedge Strategy. Read up on it, because these folks would like to get their hands on your children and “bring them to Jesus”.

    ^her quote ended there; mine began with this remark-

    Oh no, horror of horrors, someone might come to believe in Jesus, we can’t have that! [etc]

    Comment by rainydayweather — December 19, 2008 @ 11:24 am

  6. That’s just freakin’ pathetic! I got the same treatment from Sharmuta with back-up from Highrise, it just didn’t attract Charles’ attention. They like to pile on one person in a thread until they finally get them riled up enough to be mean. I didn’t bite personally and pre-empted their attempts by asking (via the LGF mail) for my account to be removed. This is just so similar to what that whore did to me and numerous others I read about via the Nodrog. How pathetic! Almost as bad as a comment I once read, “I’ll be back in 15 minutes.”. Those thread are their LIVES! Sad, sad, sad.

    That’s another thing from my big fight, I finally was accused of carrying the fight on on a “dead thread” so as not to attract more attention when in reality I was just addressing the comments as they were coming at me. I hadn’t checked for newer threads because I was just never that into LGF. These buggers can be frustration personified.

    BTW, did anyone else notice Charles mocking the mullets on those BNP rockers while still sporting some rather goofy hair himself? That was classic.

    Comment by Lex, Agent of Chaos — December 19, 2008 @ 11:25 am

  7. I liked Wrath. I hope he does make his way over here.

    Comment by arwynkafir — December 19, 2008 @ 11:27 am

  8. Here’s a link you probably won’t see at LGF:
    CSC – The “Wedge Document”: So What?

    Comment by rainydayweather — December 19, 2008 @ 11:28 am

  9. There really is no way to avoid the traps Queeg sets up unless you don’t comment at all, or you agree with him.
    Also, don’t ding anyone, up or down. That’s another trap Queeg uses to ban people. Only link to “approved” sites and don’t mention anyone in a good light if you haven’t seen them for a long time or if they are banned.

    Oh, and don’t link to those who link to those who link to those sites Queeg hates.
    Better yet, don’t link at all.
    Never comment on someone elses blog that might have offended Queeg unless you’re shilling for Queeg.
    Don’t e-mail Queeg, ever. He has been known to lie about the contents of the e-mails he receives and never publishes.
    If you have your own blog, don’t post anything that Queeg disapproves of.
    If you ain’t sure, don’t post it. Same goes for links and comments.

    That’s the price you pay if you wanna be a queegling. Personally, I don’t see the appeal. CJ isn’t very bright, and he’s a neo-Leftist ruled by his petty emotions and that’s how he rules. There is no justice or liberty at his site and Queeg will not debate you so his views are never challenged…for long.

    Never trust a person like that, because people like Queeg aren’t concerned about truth, or about thinking outside their little boxes. They only care about towing the party line and the party line is whatever Queeg says it is.

    Queeg don’t care who he hurts, it’s all about him afterall. A prime case of malignant narcissism if I ever saw one. And the fawning by Sharmuta and company is truly disgusting. No one likes brown-nosers except for Queegs.

    Comment by USS Ben USN (Ret) — December 19, 2008 @ 11:28 am

  10. #6 Lex Aoc:

    That’s another thing from my big fight, I finally was accused of carrying the fight on on a “dead thread” so as not to attract more attention when in reality I was just addressing the comments as they were coming at me. I hadn’t checked for newer threads because I was just never that into LGF. These buggers can be frustration personified.

    The same thing happened to me.

    After I commented to a few dead threads, I began seeing Johnson and/or some of the other people take vague pot-shots at “people who post to dead threads,” and I assumed they were talking about me.

    I posted to the dead threads at times because if that was where someone left me a comment, that is usually where I chose to address it.

    Also, I did not check into LGF everyday, so I was not able to keep up with every single thread, and who was posting what where.

    I figured if I tried to carry on an old argument from a “dead thread” into a current one that it might annoy Johnson or his readers, which is why I was reluctant to do that.

    I also saw numerous examples of what you mentioned, how several “lizards” would pile on one person.

    I never thought that was fair, even if I did not agree with the person’s political views who was being jumped on by several posters at once.

    I just do not like to see people get treated like trash, whatever their political views might be (unless it’s someone going out of his or her way to be obnoxious, in which case, they’re kind of ‘asking for’ the trashing, I guess.).

    Comment by rainydayweather — December 19, 2008 @ 11:38 am

  11. rainy-I did answer, but I don’t think there’s any way to come to agreement over that issue. I do debate it constantly it seems face to face with others though as I noted in the other thread my main goal is greater understanding, not greater rifts.

    Speaking of greater rifts though, I cannot reconcile mainline Christianity with the “Jesus Camp” crowd and perhaps that’s what Sharmuta meant (Sheesh, it sounds like I’m sticking up for her and I’m really not….). Charles seems to be trying to drive the far right fringe elements of Christianity off of his site while not really attacking more mainstream beliefs. I can understand not wanting to be associated even by commenters with anyone who would agree with what goes on in “Jesus Camp” or similar camps. Heck, I spent almost 2 decades as an agnostic after going with a friend to her camp. SHUDDER. You guys must admit, there is sort of a difference between everyday devout Christians and the “pledge to the Christian flag daily” crowd. A religion vs cult sort of mentality.

    rainy–if you have more questions I do have some great links or you can always just write me for a more in depth discussion. First from Catholic Answers, this sort of spells out the view in greater depth than I can in a comment:
    http://www.catholic.com/library/Scripture_and_Tradition.asp
    Also it addresses Matthew 15. For discussion with a rather sharp blogger, I will recommend the blog of Taylor Marshall:
    http://www.cantuar.blogspot.com/
    Or we can agree to disagree, or a bit of both;)

    Comment by Lex, Agent of Chaos — December 19, 2008 @ 11:40 am

  12. Charles tells the posters at LGF what to think, and Kilgore and medaura tell Charles what to think. Sad.

    Comment by Yaza — December 19, 2008 @ 11:42 am

  13. Well they are marxists after all.
    This is the people McCarthy was chasing. But instead of deporting them you let them stay and continue to work against you.

    Evolutionism in USA is nothing different from what was taught in the Sovietunion or Nazigermany, evolutionism is the downfall of America, your nation will go down, just as mine went down thanks to evolutionism.
    It’s the root of the rest of the junk you now have.
    Just was a lot quicker in Sweden seeing it’s a smaller country with fewer inhabitants, plus almost all go to public school, the perfect way to indoctrinate whole generations.
    Next step are the camps and as you can see from the
    exchange these people would have no problem to put people they do not like in camps.
    I mean anyone looking in from the outside can see how evil these people really are.

    Proverbs 4:14-19 Enter not into the path of the wicked, and go not in the way of evil men. Avoid it, pass not by it, turn from it, and pass away. For they sleep not, except they have done mischief; and their sleep is taken away, unless they cause some to fall. For they eat the bread of wickedness, and drink the wine of violence. But the path of the just is as the shining light, that shineth more and more unto the perfect day. The way of the wicked is as darkness: they know not at what they stumble.

    Comment by Born Again Bible Believer in Sweden — December 19, 2008 @ 11:48 am

  14. Rainy–I know, that “dead thread” issue is absurd, why would you carry it over?
    At any rate, here’s my LGF last stand, which actually contains a larger fight (probably why I wasn’t noticed by Charles) between Charles and Jeppo. Jeppo, sorry to bring it back out of the closet, but was this your last stand there too?

    http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/28027_Promoting_the_White_Nationalists/comments/#ctop

    Comment by Lex, Agent of Chaos — December 19, 2008 @ 11:49 am

  15. #11 LexAC

    Thanks for the links, but I’ve done a ton of reading on the subject already. 🙂

    I’ll give you one link-
    Roman Catholicism, from A & O
    -in the future, that link may not work, since they are re-tooling their site.

    Without looking at the Link you gave regarding Matthew 15, I can only guess that the author emloyed a case of “special pleading” to excuse the practice of Roman Catholic Tradition nullifying God’s written Word but condemning the Pharisees’ same practice.

    ^(I’ve seen similar apologetics methods used by Roman Catholic apologists before.

    It always boils down to, “Rome [the Roman Church] can do anything she pleases because she is Rome, and she has the authority,” which is question begging.)

    I think the priniciple in Matthew 15 that Jesus mentioned is clear:
    tradition that nullifies the written word is not of God and is not to be obeyed, regardless of whose tradition it is or why they’re using it, or how old it is.

    Comment by rainydayweather — December 19, 2008 @ 11:51 am

  16. I forgot to address this in my last post:

    #11 LexAC

    You guys must admit, there is sort of a difference between everyday devout Christians and the “pledge to the Christian flag daily” crowd. A religion vs cult sort of mentality.”

    I know what you mean, but the problem is, someone like me gets lumped in with the “flag” crowd, even though I’m not.

    I’m very conservative in my beliefs across the board. I don’t believe in sacrificing the truth for unity (I don’t support ecumenacalism), etc. and for stuff like that, I know someone such as yourself (and esp. those much more far left) would no doubt assume and mistake me for a “flag waver” as you put it.

    I think it’s important for Christians to live out their faith, to realize it is about having a relationship with God and not just about following rules -but- you can’t just say it’s okay to chuck the rules out the window.

    There has to be a balance there.

    Comment by rainydayweather — December 19, 2008 @ 11:55 am

  17. #9 USS Ben USN (Ret)

    That was a nice “how not to get banned from LGF” manual!

    I think it would be funny if some of us could once more post to LGF, try to follow those rules you outlined in #9, and see how long we could last.

    I bet no matter how diligent we were in trying to appease Johnson that we’d still get banned over some stupid reason anyway. He’d probably ban one of us because he didn’t like the font color we used in a post or something like that.

    Comment by rainydayweather — December 19, 2008 @ 12:01 pm

  18. Amusing post about LGF. To avideditor, I think it would be a good idea to have a separate section for posts relating to LGF antics, and devote the main page to reporting on jihadist activity. Just my thoughts.

    Comment by Redwater — December 19, 2008 @ 12:03 pm

  19. I personally wouldn’t lump you in, I like to hear what people believe and even if I don’t end up liking the beliefs I don’t believe that the judgment is up to me. That’s my big sticking point, presuming to know the mind and will of God. I stay away from people who think that they can enter that realm. That also does make me uncomfortable about what you mentioned, the insistence on the part of the Catholic Church on being right because of apostolic succession. In any case, they seem one of the closest institutions to that succession though I don’t deny the legitimacy of other Churches (only a few rather cultish country ones out here) because of a lack of apostolic succession. But no lumping in by me, though I’m always interested in hearing more about beliefs of evangelicals as they represent a very American outgrowth of the Protestant side of the equation.

    As for the link, the author actually uses other parts of Scripture regarding the Traditions and church history itself, since the very early Church relied on tradition (mainly oral) for a few hundred years until the Council of Nicaea. Some of these were simply never written down. There are other traditions held to by Protestants as well so I find the sniping about “Tradition” and “tradition” a bit silly.

    Comment by Lex, Agent of Chaos — December 19, 2008 @ 12:07 pm

  20. Re: #6 Almost as bad as a comment I once read, “I’ll be back in 15 minutes.”. Those thread are their LIVES! Sad, sad, sad.

    Sharmuta’s been registered at LGF for about 22 months, and in that time she posted over 38,000 times!!! Do the math- I did, it’s roughly 57 posts EVERYDAY!

    Shar, if you’re reading this- Seriously, you need to get a life (Preferably an atheist one). Maybe you can buy one on eBay or Craigslist, but make sure you clear it with Chuckie.

    Comment by Bob in Breckenridge — December 19, 2008 @ 12:07 pm

  21. Who cares? Banned at LGF. Big deal. Johnson is the only bloggy I know of that builds a fence around his blog complete with border guards. Anybody with half a brain knows you have to kowtow to him and his thugs in order to have the privelege to stay there. He gets all upset when someone points out that dissent is not allowed but everyone knows it isn’t. I’ve got news for CJ. There was a time when it was an honor to be associated with LGF but those days are gone. You couldn’t make me post there again!

    Comment by theparson — December 19, 2008 @ 12:09 pm

  22. Bob, those stats on Sharmuta are pretty darned sad. Wow.

    theparson–the Hannity forums are almost worse, but their reasons are at least logical as they have corporate sponsors. Still, like LGF, they go too fast for someone like me to post at. I used to but having a life kind of stomped it out.

    9–hilarious!

    Comment by Lex, Agent of Chaos — December 19, 2008 @ 12:22 pm

  23. Lex, you would have to add in the time and numbers from W-Lover, Dubluv, imma dhimmi (and more I’m sure) to get the true scope of her sadness. She was caught dinging herself up with those, so she has probably created new ones that nobody knows about to help her “karma” now.

    lol

    Comment by arwynkafir — December 19, 2008 @ 12:42 pm

  24. #19 LexAC wrote:

    There are other traditions held to by Protestants as well so I find the sniping about “Tradition” and “tradition” a bit silly.

    I’m not a Protestant, so I can’t defend any and every thing they believe, but I don’t believe that Protestants consider any of their traditions as being on the same level of authority as the written Word.

    As far as I am aware, Protestants don’t regard their traditions as being binding upon the believer.

    That is one difference between non-Catholic-Christian tradition and R.C.(Roman Catholic) Tradition, I think.

    Also, Non-RC-Christians aren’t “against” tradition per se (this seems to be a common misunderstanding by some Catholics; I’ve seen a lot of them on the web who assume that Non-RC-Christians hate tradition, when that is not so).

    It’s a question of who or what should be the final arbiter of doctrine in a Christian’s life and understanding of God/salvation: the written word, or tradition?

    This might address some of the points in your article:
    Link: A Response to David Palm’s Article on Oral Tradition from ‘This Rock’ Magazine, May, 1995

    Anyway, I’m enjoying reading the input about the original LGF here. Some of the posts are funny.

    Parson, #21:
    “You couldn’t make me post there again!”

    I can’t even bring myself to LURK there anymore.

    I try to stay away, unless someone just absolutely insists that there is something there so jaw-dropping so amazing, that I simply must go there to see it first-hand.

    Other than that, I stay away!

    The saddest thing is that even though I was unjustly banned, I would have considered visiting there regularly if Johnson had kept the quality of the blog (meaning, concentrating on the encroach of Islam on Western Civ), but no, every other post had to be about his caricatures of Creationists, or else long posts about computer programming.

    Comment by rainydayweather — December 19, 2008 @ 12:51 pm

  25. This comment by KT shows how delusional he really is.

    222 Killgore Trout 12/18/08 5:31:19 pm reply quote +13
    re: #178 WrathofG-d
    When I first took up the debate here I’m not sure what the ratio was but I was seriously outnumbered and I took a lot of abuse. I stuck with it because I felt I was right and my reasoning held up.

    He only took abuse after he dished out a few tons of it, he is a thin-skinned crybaby just like Nancy who worships at the throne of Darwin & Johnson.

    And by KT reasoning, his reasoning is the reason the dissenters are vanquish, not because Queeg banned most of them or anything like that.

    Comment by bar — December 19, 2008 @ 12:52 pm

  26. re 18 I am not in charge here. I think Rodan or Savage is. Who knows. I barely post here now. I have been really busy and comments are being deleted like at LGF which I am against. I received this in an email:
    “OMITTED AT REQUEST OF THE PERSON THAT WROTE IT. ”

    Just for the record I have nothing against any of the Lounge Lizards, I think LGF is great for it lounge and a way to promote your blog. I think CJ needs to take his meds he makes no sense and he is now anti-G-d. CJ also supports the jihadis in Serbia, which makes no sense to me. As a Jew I think LGF has become anti-Jewish.

    I hope publishing part of an email will not get me in trouble with the person that sent it. I just think it is great and more people should read it.

    Comment by avideditor — December 19, 2008 @ 1:00 pm

  27. #25, bar-
    Sometimes I’m horrible at following who said what, so I’m sorry if I get this wrong, but Killgore Trout was the one who wrote
    “…I was outnumbered and I took a lot of abuse.” -?

    If so, he’s kind of lying. Maybe he was outnumbered (I don’t know), and maybe he did receive some abuse off some people but-

    Killgore Trout heaped lots of very intense scorn on me, vulgar language, etc., and I was polite to him from the outset, and remained so (even after he called people who hold my views about macro-evolution “stupid assh*les” or “ignorant motherf*ckers” or some such obscene term)- see my post above, this thread #3 for an explanation, for more details.

    Comment by rainydayweather — December 19, 2008 @ 1:01 pm

  28. re 27 Kilgore is one of the few people that I have insulted online in my life. He was not using any logic in his argument. I asked him if he took too much LSD. He certainly sounds like one that is really gone.

    Comment by avideditor — December 19, 2008 @ 1:08 pm

  29. Yes it IS his blog. Nobody said otherwise. People would just like for him to admit that he bans for dissent and stop the lying and slander by claiming he only bans “nazis and nazi sympathizers”.

    He’s full of shit.

    Comment by arwynkafir — December 19, 2008 @ 1:09 pm

  30. re 29 That and the fact that he is a lib. If he just came out and said it I would respect him more. I think leading people astray because of a disguise is wrong and a big sin.

    Comment by avideditor — December 19, 2008 @ 1:12 pm

  31. #26 e-mail to avideditor

    Overall, yes, that was a heartening e-mail you received, Avideditor, but I did have a few problems with it, such as:

    “- i find it hard to think of what it would be like not to belong to that community. At the same time, I’m not happy with my integrity by participating in that site when the message is loud and clear that I am not welcome.

    Anyway, at the same time, i think it is rather childish to start a blog to strike back at a blog owner that you have a disagreement with.”

    We post about LGF here for the same reason “Mr. Anonymous” felt the need to vent in an e-mail to you, Avid.

    Would you, Mr. Anonymous, want us to characterize your expressions about what happened at LGF in private to Avid Editor as being ‘childish?’

    I agree that having a blog speaking out against another one can be childish, it has the potential for being childish, depending upon how it is handled, but I think this blog has pulled it off nicely.

    As for Mr. Anonymous’ reluctance to leave LGF because his pals are still there. Fella, just get your pals’ e-mail addresses and leave.

    Or set up your own blog and board and invite them over. Where is your dignity and self respect?

    While qutting LGF is hard at first, you do get used to it after awhile, I promise. It was hard on me at first giving it up, but after a few days or weeks, you don’t miss it.

    As for this,

    “But at the same time, it IS his blog. LGF is not some sort of public forum that is supposed to be monitored by someone impartial – it is the blog of Charles Johnson and he can ban whoever he wants, he can post whatever he wants.”

    Technically that is true, but as I was telling “savage nation” or someone here about a week ago, that to me is still not an excuse for being unfair and unjust as Johnson has been.

    The fact is that other than Johnson’s main blog entries, it is the readers who produce the content at LGF and who make people want to stick around and keep coming back.

    And Johnson shows them no loyalty for the time, effort, and in some cases, the money they’ve put in to his blog.

    His blog or not, that doesn’t justify or excuse his shoddy treatment of his former or current members.

    Comment by rainydayweather — December 19, 2008 @ 1:14 pm

  32. I don’t care what he does. And I don’t care what his Queeganistas do. I’m moving on to interesting subjects.

    Comment by theparson — December 19, 2008 @ 1:15 pm

  33. re 31 I agree with you. I received that email ages ago. I have posted alot on LGF2 since then.

    Comment by avideditor — December 19, 2008 @ 1:33 pm

  34. For newly banned or soon-to-be banned LGFer’s:

    COME TO THE DARK SIDE, WE HAVE COOKIES.

    Comment by DJM — December 19, 2008 @ 1:35 pm

  35. re 34 I do not think LGF2 is the dark side. Where are the cookies?

    Comment by avideditor — December 19, 2008 @ 1:36 pm

  36. re 34 Are the cookies the same as the zionist pay check?

    Comment by avideditor — December 19, 2008 @ 1:38 pm

  37. #36 – No, they are chocolate chip.

    Comment by DJM — December 19, 2008 @ 1:46 pm

  38. Damn you DJM. You just made me hungry. I am off to grab some chines food and meet with a lib college friend. Have fun all

    Comment by avideditor — December 19, 2008 @ 1:48 pm

  39. Damn, avid, now I want Chinese but I’ve drunk too much tequila and the local Chinese place doesn’t deliver!!!

    Comment by DJM — December 19, 2008 @ 1:50 pm

  40. Little Green Sharmutas! Looks to me like Darwin Johnson is well on his way to having about two long-term members (Killgore the Dumbass and Sharmuta the Mensa), then he opens up registration to cover his bases. He’s working on strictly reputation from some years back and he is quickly losing blog support from elsewhere.

    Lex, what exactly do you define “mainstream” Christianity? You make it sound is if somehow you represent it.

    I hate to tell you this girlfriend, but as much as I like you, there is no way you could think the way you do and think you’re representative of “mainstream” Christianity. If you think me wrong, consider a secular example.

    Though Obamessiah may have made some inroads (which I still doubt as I truly think about 70% of America secular whether they realize it or not) with respect to those calling themselves Christian, the fact of the matter is a majority of people walking into a church or parish most Sunday mornings still overwhelmingly vote Republican.

    Being that the case, whether your theology “open” as I believe it is, or you claim separation of ‘religion’ and politics, you’re still not representative of the “mainstream” there hot momma.

    Comment by Tex Taylor — December 19, 2008 @ 2:10 pm

  41. Really, the only way to make an ID thread at LGF interesting is to ban a major LGFer.

    Otherwise it’s the same old stuff repeated endlessly. The Inner Circle is alerted to be ready for an ID thread. Their job is to attack any dissenters, using the same old, shopworn talking points.
    The thread is a total drag for everyone. It plods along and goes OT as soon as possible.
    Then suddenly BEHOLD! A snake (troll-creationist-fanatic-evil-one)enters the garden! The Inner Circle perks up. They get to play the game! They get to be holier and smarter than someone! They get to recite their lines for an audience!

    Is there anyone other than me that is beginning to suspect that LGF has now been reduced to hiring people to play “creationist” on these threads? (Listen, we’ve got hard times out there, and a job’s a job!)

    Comment by Anastasia — December 19, 2008 @ 2:27 pm

  42. re 39 I eat only the fried rice and the chowmane (sp?) it was good. Try Arberg 10 it is great. I used to drink 100% agave tequila until I tried the Arbeg. Why are Liberals always late?

    Comment by avideditor — December 19, 2008 @ 2:35 pm

  43. #42 – My fave is Beef and Broccoli w/ shrimp fried rice. Tequila is Jose Cuervo Gold. For some reason, when I have one, I crave the other, but combined they make me worship at the porcelain throne…

    Comment by DJM — December 19, 2008 @ 2:56 pm

  44. Wrath of God was one of the few commenters at LGF who could regularly think outside the LGF box. The fact that his mind was not stunted by shallow vision and obsessive formulation was not what did him, however. It was not even disagreement with the partyline on ID. His problem was that he dared to express his annoyance with the petty minds surrounding him.

    May he recover soon from his LGF addiction and may he prosper in real life.

    Comment by Anastasia — December 19, 2008 @ 2:59 pm

  45. the bloke thinks he is a film star like brad pitt.
    look back when he changed his posision on banning. it was after he got a bit of media attention.
    he is lost in show biz, he cant accept the fact that he is a fat, boring, nobody. so he is bitter and twisted.
    what can he do to get famous again. go left and become the new improved daily coss.
    he will have permanent fame and then he can go the whole hog and say he is gay and christians are dangerious to freedom and the left will fill his blog in droves. and the advertising will follow.
    its a win win situation.

    Comment by nathan hogroast — December 19, 2008 @ 3:06 pm

  46. sorry about the spelling above but i have had a few dark rums and i am well oiled.

    Comment by nathan hogroast — December 19, 2008 @ 3:08 pm

  47. The banning of Wrath was accompanied to the updingy applause of the usual Inner Circle dwarfs.
    The ONLY poster who dared to put in a word for Wrath was buzzsawmonkey.
    DARED is the operative word.

    Comment by Anastasia — December 19, 2008 @ 3:14 pm

  48. #46 Forget the spelling! Pass me that bottle, nathan!

    Comment by Anastasia — December 19, 2008 @ 3:15 pm

  49. Anastasia you may be on to something.

    Charles used to ask that people not discuss abortion, evolution (and Terri Shiavo after awhile) because neither side would change anyone’s mind and all it did was cause hard feelings.

    Now it is as if he thrives on the hard feelings. He is so snide in the comments it is strange that any of the good people are left. He let his true personality show, and it’s quite ugly.

    Comment by arwynkafir — December 19, 2008 @ 3:21 pm

  50. First, THANK YOU WRATHOFG-D FOR STANDING UP TO THOSE SPOON-FED IDIOTS!!! My GAWD, you deserve an award!! SERIOUSLY! I’ve been wondering when SOMEONE was going to say those very words, and boy, they didn’t liiiiiiikkkke that!! Especially CHUCKY! Wow, he wasted no time in silencing you. If I could shake your hand right now, I would. Every time someone stands up to their gang-anti-christian-follower-mentality, they’re core-hatred is illuminated more and more. They think that “silencing” the dissent hushes it up and makes it go away, but it actually draws ATTENTION to it and gives it a louder voice. Fools. I have never witnessed such childish, weak-minded paranoid, hateful antics in all of my life. Thank you for doing your part to expose lgf a little more today. The truth is the truth and today…the truth won.

    Excellent post-analysis on here by the way from all the contributers.

    Comment by tuffasnails — December 19, 2008 @ 3:23 pm

  51. Go buzz.

    Comment by arwynkafir — December 19, 2008 @ 3:24 pm

  52. Anastasia
    you wont wont it, its empty mate, and it was a cheap dominican republic import, cost 5 euros, but it did the job on me.
    oh how i have fallen, i used to drink woods 100. now theres a navy rum to be proud of.

    Comment by nathan hogroast — December 19, 2008 @ 3:25 pm

  53. “their core-hatred”..not “they’re”. (comment #50). And I HAVE no excuse!!

    Comment by tuffasnails — December 19, 2008 @ 3:26 pm

  54. RE #51

    We’ll see who else has the guts to defend him….they’ve GOT to know that banning him was wrong. Question is….who will step forward? *crickets chirping*

    Comment by tuffasnails — December 19, 2008 @ 3:29 pm

  55. cj is not stupid, he is a crafty man, he can see what is happening to his blog and its what he wants, he is using constructive dismissial to purge the people that are not in his master plan.
    he wants a new left wing world famous blog and he will be at the helm getting all the attention.
    yes he will be famous again, because all the left media will want to interview him.
    its all so simple really.

    Comment by nathan hogroast — December 19, 2008 @ 3:34 pm

  56. Does anyone else think it is ironic that CJ banned the WrathofG-d?

    Comment by avideditor — December 19, 2008 @ 3:38 pm

  57. Yes, avideditor, the irony is priceless.

    Comment by Anastasia — December 19, 2008 @ 3:41 pm

  58. does anybody think cj doesent know what the score is.
    when he opens registration he gets about 30 people, when he used to get hundreds.
    he knows his love affair with the right is over.
    just watch the blog go fully left. and the leftys flood his open reg. its coming.

    Comment by nathan hogroast — December 19, 2008 @ 3:44 pm

  59. Re #14 Lex, no that wasn’t my last stand at LGF, I lived to fight another day. Here is your original take on that thread:

    http://whatwouldcharlesmarteldotm.blogspot.com/search?q=sharmuta

    You wrote “Side note, Charles was very active in this thread and didn’t involve himself in the least with these attacks on me, though he was concerned with this “jeppo” fellow, a really bad sort, I’ll let the links to his comments stand for that.”

    But you didn’t quote a single comment of mine! You quoted several other lizards, particularly Sharmuta and Highrise, and generally wrote an amusing account of that thread, but did you really expect your readers to wade through 700+ comments to find an incriminating quote of mine? And you actually bragged that you took Charles and his attack-minions side in piling on little old me!

    Now don’t get me wrong Lex, there’s nothing I would like better than getting a public spanking from the likes of you. But doesn’t journalism 101 require you to provide a justification when you label someone “a really bad sort”? The reason I survived that thread was because I didn’t make any comments that would justify banning. So my question to you is this: Could you go back now and find a single comment of mine that would justify calling me a bad sort? Just one…

    Comment by jeppo — December 19, 2008 @ 3:56 pm

  60. mind you all the above posts i have made could be bullshit.
    maybe the guy is self destructing.
    i mean he knows much more than those silly microsoft programmers.
    well he does, he is always telling us how bad they are.
    piece of piss designing an operating system, my dog could do it.

    Comment by nathan hogroast — December 19, 2008 @ 3:57 pm

  61. Wow, I spend all damn day working and look what I came into! Yikes!

    Comment by savagenation — December 19, 2008 @ 4:17 pm

  62. #3 raindayweather– There is nothing whatsoever in the Discovery Institute’s plan (the so-called “wedge document” you provide, UNEDITED, in your #8 link) that mentions the word “Jesus.” That stuff about converting people to Christ is just a quotation from Philip Johnson, one individual, about what HE would like to see happen someday. As you know, there are non-Christians, even agnostics, in the DI.

    So? Are we to take statements Richard Dawkins alone has made about his personal desires to see an atheist society to be indicative of a secret plot by evolutionists to impose an atheocracy?

    I am personally very much opposed to the DI’s public school agenda, BTW, but I can argue my case without cherry-picking and twisting evidence. I don’t need to maintain that everything the DI has ever done is worthless and criminal. I don’t need to make everyone associated with the DI out to be a hideous, knuckle-dragging monster. If a DI guy says that 2+2=4, I don’t have to reject the statement just because a DI associate said it. In other words, I don’t have to be a hysterical, obsessive bigot.

    Comment by Anastasia — December 19, 2008 @ 4:32 pm

  63. Jeppo–sorry, I’ll look again. I thought you were advocating something else, I’ll fix it. Charles has now removed several comments or they just don’t come up for some reason. I was too busy with too many things and thought you were sticking up for some nefarious characters.

    Tex–actually I was referring to what most people do by “mainstream Christianity”, defined generally by established Churches of all denominations that don’t differ that greatly in doctrine (only really small doctrinal issues) and generally work together. On the fringe there are less mainstream churches which have relinquished any affiliation with the major organizations and can fall into either the more cultish category or just are smaller churches. The rise of “Bible Churches” is generally recognized as a fringe element though many are not that different from the more generally known churches while others are quite radical.

    I wasn’t defining myself at all. Tex, what do you consider mainstream Christianity to be? I used the very general definition so as to be more inclusive.

    Comment by Lex, Agent of Chaos — December 19, 2008 @ 4:38 pm

  64. Jeppo–I’ll look later, but this was in the “support mass deportation” period over at GoV and I might have thought you were in that category. You have advocated some wacky shit at govvs IMHO but we’re still nice to you. If you notice at the end of my post I don’t bother to finish it due to the sheer volume of Sharmuta and Highrise attacks on me that I just didn’t want to bother continuing to refute. It was wasting a good afternoon. Another reason I couldn’t ever be a “lizard”; those threads are murder to read.

    Comment by Lex, Agent of Chaos — December 19, 2008 @ 4:43 pm

  65. I just got an e-mail telling me that Lo-Flyer was banned a few days ago. Anybody know anything about that one? Don’t know what thread it was on, so I won’t bother to go look for it.

    He was a pleasant sort, I thought, with the quirky habit of talking like a pirate(!)–something that in a jollier group would be tolerated as an amusing eccentricity. Alas, LGF is no longer very jolly.

    The e-mail said Sharmuta got extremely huffy and sanctimonious about the pirate talk that night, going on and on about how evil real pirates are and how wicked it is for little boys to wear pirate costumes. But no one knows whether the banning was specifically related to the pirate talk. (Comments were deleted, so who knows?)

    Comment by Anastasia — December 19, 2008 @ 5:05 pm

  66. No worries Lex, I’m just yanking your chain. I’m not even claming NOT to be a bad sort (I certainly am), just demanding proof of it 🙂 Speaking of sheer volume of attacks, if I had to rebut all the insults directed at me at LGF, I’d still be at it. My secret: I never, ever responded in kind to a single insult there, ever, not even once. It made them even angrier LOL! Oh yeah, why are so many comments missing from that thread, all the ones with a “re:”? Is it like that with all old threads, or did Charles go back and sanitize it?

    Comment by jeppo — December 19, 2008 @ 5:05 pm

  67. said Sharmuta got extremely huffy and sanctimonious about the pirate talk that night, going on and on about how evil real pirates are and how wicked it is for little boys to wear pirate costumes.

    ROFLMAO!! I need to just post on Sharmuta from now on! I’ll start posting at LGFWatch if I get time just on the absurd things she says. Pray tell you know what thread that was in, I just can’t go through them all looking for her getting worked up about pirates since she’s all worked up in ALL the threads….

    Jeppo–yeah, all the “re:” ones are blank now! I went back and found that thread ages after it happened and it wasn’t like that, everything was there. No clue, maybe all older threads are like that?? I thought it was just my browser or something….

    I never responded to anything at all until that night…LOL….I’d pop in, comment, pop out and if I came back within a month it was a matter of chance. I’ve read the site more since I joined LGFWatch and started govvs than I ever did in all my other blogging days. But right on for you making them even angrier and glad you lived to fight another day.

    Comment by Lex, Agent of Chaos — December 19, 2008 @ 5:16 pm

  68. It was never my intention to comment about my banning, but after reading this thread I felt that I had to. First, I would very graciously like to thank everyone here that had something nice to say about me. I do not hold the hard feelings against Charles or LGF that many of you do (and I can’t say that I blame you all either) however. Despite my strong feelings that I was unfairly banned (as I didn’t violate any of the standing rules), I should have known where that conversation was going to end up.

    First, I highly recommend for all of you who are interested, that you actually go over to LGF and read the entire thread. If for nothing else, to ensure that you get the full picture, and all the facts. (whether they work for me, or against me)

    Second, insofar that this is probably my only available venue to stress my position on this matter (and hopefully finally put it to rest…although I am probably just asking for further ridicule from those on LGF) I just wish to make a few comments about the situation.

    (A) I have never denied Charles’ right to ban whomever he wants from his site. Accordingly, I do not protest my banning, nor harbor any angry feelings towards Charles, or LGF. I still, and have always said (as we have all heard) that it is his site and he can run it however he would like. That being said, it doesn’t also mean that everything he does there is automatically moral, right, fair, or even kind. Of course, he doesn’t have to be, but he and those there and elsewhere shouldn’t pretend that they are just because “it is his right”. Accordingly, I fully stand behind every statement I made on that thread. It should be pointed out that none of them could prove any of my claims incorrect. In fact, my claims that there is “groupthink”, and that Charles wields an immense amount of power to lead the “lizardoids” was only further proven by their actions of dinging me down, and criticizing me “personally” with such fervor AFTER Charles criticized and banned me. I don’t hate the “lizardoids” for their actions, nor Charles, but facts are facts.

    (B) I find it ironic that I claimed that I was having my words purposefully spun so that they could be used to get me banned, and quickly thereafter….I was banned. The fact that many whom were banned from LGF share a very similar story to mine also adds interest to the entire situation.

    (C) It was claimed after I was banned that I was banned because I “made it all about me”, and “hijacked the thread”. This is ridiculously untrue. When you go over that thread, you will notice that for the most part I was quiet, until Killgore (whom I still like) stated that the absence of objections to the Anti-ID argument on LGF was proof that the “Evolution” argument was true. At that point, I decided to opine that there might have been another reason for the silence. (that those who did object were humiliated, criticized, ganged up on, etc.) It was at this point that Sharmuta contacted ME. I only responded to her/his comment. From there others contacted ME. As is the standard practice of LGF (and most blogs for that matter), I responded to those who “replied” to me. I never reached out to them to “pick fights”, “be rude”, or “hijack the thread”, I simply responded when THEY contacted ME. If that is reason for being banned, then we might as well shut down all blogs immediately!

    (D) I do not believe that I was ever “rude”. It really just isn’t my style (or at least hasn’t been for a while). The only time I would ever get a bit testy would be on Israel threads. I take that topic very (maybe a little too much) seriously! The claims that I was “rude” to pro-Evolution advocates on LGF is just simply wrong. Go read my posts, they speak for themselves (if they are still on LGF). Truly, I would only respond to the vicious attitude, and group attacks on those who didn’t buy into the Evolution theory, and point out that those who were advocating the Pro-Evolution position on LGF did so with the open-mindedness of an Islamist Imam. I did, do, and still believe that either of the competing theories COULD be correct. I really do not know! What I do know however is that treating those whom you disagree with on this topic with the type of vitriol that I saw occurring on LGF is not kind, moral, or necessary. Such infighting used to be cause for banning. I only asked for honesty from both sides about what their grudge was, and that they both admit that neither side could really be “so sure”!

    (E) On the topic of “honesty about what their grudge was”, I highly suggest (if it is still there) Charles’ comments to me about why he continued to post Anti-Creationist threads. In short, he stated that he believed that Creationism was a 19th Century, uneducated belief, that is ok for idiot religious people to teach their kids at home, but that type of stupidity shouldn’t be taught in schools.” (I encourage you all to find the actual quote however, as I wouldn’t want to misquote anyone) This again only proves my point that his comments that “it is only about teaching it in science classes” mantra (which he used to swear by) was truly just a “wedge strategy” to attack Creationism in general. It seems obvious that his grudge was not with ID activists pushing it into schools, or it being taught as science but actually against the concept of believing in Creation as it is “nothing more than 19th Century, anti-intellectual” idiocy. If that is his belief, then fine; I only requested, expected honestly about it.

    (F) It is incorrectly claimed on that thread that I was banned the 1st time for the same reason I was banned this time (presumably “picking fights”, “hijacking threads”, and “making it all about me”). This just isn’t true. I was banned the 1st time because Charles misunderstood a post I made about his ability to do what he wishes with his blog. People were complaining that he had set up a system of “monitor lizards” and how this was unfair, mean…whatever. I posted something to the effect of “no matter what lame-ass rules Charles makes, its his blog, so deal.” In haste, Charles completely misunderstood the post and took this comment to be attacking his rules, and without giving me a chance to explain; I was banned! After contacting Charles in private and showing that he misunderstood my post, I was reinstated. He thereafter on the next open thread (IIRC) made some false comment about how I got back in by begging, pleading, and kissing butt. I showed the proper amount of respect I held for him and his blog, but I surely didn’t beg, plead, or kiss butt.

    (G) Lastly, for now (no Charles, that is not “a threat”), I understand why I was banned. It came down to a business call. As an owner of a blog, Charles presumably feels that he must ensure that those on his blog find it to be a utopian environment that echos their beliefs. Sure, you can disagree, but don’t get carried away. My comments on my final thread went too far. Instead of just debating the issue, I dared to shine a light on the environment that existed on LGF, and the character of many of its posters. Understandably, bad mouthing the company to the clients would worry the Owner. If the majority of posters, or readers were led to share a belief that LGF was all of the things I was exposing it to be, they would no longer frequent the site, and he would be out of a business. To me, this makes complete sense. I do not believe that anything I said was untrue, but I picked an incorrect venue to express those beliefs. This left Charles with two options: (1) He could have written me an email to my account (which I know he has) and informed me of what I was unwittingly doing, and I would have immediately stopped, or (2) he could ban me! We are aware of the choice he made.

    If I had a blog, I wouldn’t guard it so closely, and I surely wouldn’t be so thin skinned. But it is Charles’ blog, he comes to it with his own personality, and prejudices, and accordingly he can run it however he would like. I truly wish him nothing but luck with his endeavor, and I hope he finds (or continues to have) happiness and peace.

    Hopefully this post clears up any misunderstandings anyone reading it might have had.

    WrathofG-d

    Comment by WrathofG-d — December 19, 2008 @ 5:20 pm

  69. The rise of “Bible Churches” is generally recognized as a fringe element though many are not that different from the more generally known churches while others are quite radical.

    What??????? Fringe groups?????

    Bible Churches were formed with the direct premise to get away from denomination and division about fringe issues (like drinking or the absence thereof)…it’s been my experience Bible Churches come about as close to the 1st Century Church as anything I’ve experienced, and I’ve about tried them all, Catholic and Protestant.

    Fringe groups are a collection of people that thinks it no big deal to ordain gays as pastors (you might as well ordain the serial adulterer for a priest or pastor), or say there are many ways to heaven (Obama), or preach the message you get to heaven by being a “good” person or “good” works (Bill O’Reilly).

    I’ll tell you what fringe groups are IMO. They are people who berate others for professing to “knowing the will of God”, not recognizing the Word of God is exactly that. The Bible is God’s Word and instruction telling us exactly how to live our lives and exactly what we need to believe for salvation.

    This hooey about ‘open to interpretation garbage’ I see a bunch of the liberal persuasion spew is nothing but pantheism, gussied up with some abstract god to garner position and power. They’ll pose it as helping the poor, or providing health care, or blah blah blah. Yeah well, King Herod did about the same.

    You know Lex, dropping the hard time I always give you for one moment, mostly in jest. Like Isaiah said and paraphrased by Tex, “If Baal be god worship Baal; if Yahweh be God, worship Yahweh. But quit straddling the fence.”

    Comment by Tex Taylor — December 19, 2008 @ 5:21 pm

  70. Wrath, it’s damn good to see you.

    You and I go back a long ways, don’t we?

    Comment by savagenation — December 19, 2008 @ 5:24 pm

  71. Savage Nation

    I guess we do. Thank you for the warm welcome. On that note however, I must go!

    HAVE A WONDERFUL WEEKEND ALL!

    Comment by WrathofG-d — December 19, 2008 @ 5:35 pm

  72. Oh great….now we have Wrath here?

    Comment by Opera — December 19, 2008 @ 5:37 pm

  73. Ok everyone, I’m out.

    LECH EM ELOHIM!

    Comment by WrathofG-d — December 19, 2008 @ 5:39 pm

  74. heh Wrath

    Comment by savagenation — December 19, 2008 @ 5:40 pm

  75. Lex is doing what the Jews did back in Exodus (when the law was given), the broke the law instead of keeping it, hence why it was written on stone, stone doesn’t bend, either you keep it or break it. They broke it.

    When I look at Lex writings I fear for him and is reminded of
    2 Peter 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

    this is what is happening with liberals, they wrest the scriptures to make God say things he never said. Like approval of perversion, support for evolutionism,
    and sorts of wicked things, this is evil. But then again liberals don’t believe in that concept even (at least not any liberals here), nor do they believe in sin.

    If they had followed this advice they would have faired much better:
    Isaiah 28:9 Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.
    Isaiah 28:10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:

    It is obvious that Lex is fulfilling especially verses 3 and 4:
    2 Timothy 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
    2 Timothy 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
    2 Timothy 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

    For Lex:
    Can we know Sound Doctrine?
    http://www.wayoflife.org/fbns/canweknow-sound-doctrine.html
    End-Time Apostasy is a Bible Doctrine
    http://www.wayoflife.org/fbns/fbns/fbns225.html

    Lex needs to repent of his wickedness, I fear that he is about to slip.
    Lex seems like a nice person really but nice doesn’t count. Truth counts.

    Oh and I’m probably the Fringe groups, I am a Fundamentalist Baptist :O

    Comment by Born Again Bible Believer from Sweden — December 19, 2008 @ 5:48 pm

  76. The Wedge Strategy.” Read up on it, because these folks would like to get their hands on your children and bring them to Jesus”.

    “Then some children were brought to Him so that He might lay His hands on them and pray; and the disciples rebuked them. But Jesus said, “Let the children alone, and do not hinder them from coming to Me; for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these.”
    Matthew 19:13-14

    If there is one religious document on this planet that has the best interests of children in mind, its the bible. Yet some of these LGFer’s think its a evil thing to “bring them to Jesus”???. Oh you mean teaching your children they are a unique special creation of God and not some biological mistake, being of great worth in the eyes of God and humanity, they reach for a destiny & plan to a special purpose, teaching them to respect others, not to lie, steal, cheat, remain pure until marriage, love their neighbor as themselves…[on and on]

    How evil is the godless mentality tries to deny such basic principles that can mold children into great leaders & servants unto the human race when grow up.

    Comment by revparadigm — December 19, 2008 @ 6:10 pm

  77. I studiously avoid the evolution threads because I can’t just go along and I know I’ll get banned if I speak up.

    I did respectfully disagree with Charles once about another matter without backing down, and I survived. I don’t think I’d get away with doing that regularly, though.

    It’s probably just a matter of time before I take my leave of LGF, but I am really fond of so many there. I’m enjoying the company here, too, and much more simpatico.

    Comment by coward and I admit it — December 19, 2008 @ 6:11 pm

  78. coward, just don’t let on at LGF that you are posting here. You ought to be fine if you keep your head down.

    It’s nice to have you here, you and everyone.

    Comment by savagenation — December 19, 2008 @ 6:43 pm

  79. Thanks savagenation. That’s exactly what I’m doing.

    Comment by coward and I admit it — December 19, 2008 @ 6:52 pm

  80. #68 WrathofG-d –

    So what are you saying, do you like cookies or not?

    Comment by DJM — December 19, 2008 @ 6:56 pm

  81. I’m eating some Pepperidge Farm Soft Baked chocolate cookies. yummmm

    Comment by savagenation — December 19, 2008 @ 7:11 pm

  82. Fancy-smancy cookies, eh, savage? I bet you think you’re too good for us keebler cookie eaters now, doncha?

    😉

    Comment by DJM — December 19, 2008 @ 7:14 pm

  83. I’ve been to a few Keebler bakeries in my day. Damn elves won’t come out of the tree. Lil bastards!

    Comment by savagenation — December 19, 2008 @ 7:15 pm

  84. Try a D-Con fogger. That always gets them out. Plus, I find glue boards quite amusing.

    Comment by DJM — December 19, 2008 @ 7:20 pm

  85. I should have wrapped a chain around the trunk and yanked it out with my 550 HP Caterpillar engine. And the frame on my Freightliner is beefy enough to handle it too.

    Comment by savagenation — December 19, 2008 @ 7:25 pm

  86. Open registration at LGF right now, all you sock puppeteers.

    Comment by Bob in Breckenridge — December 19, 2008 @ 7:30 pm

  87. I wonder if I can use savage_nation? LOL

    Comment by savagenation — December 19, 2008 @ 7:31 pm

  88. #62 Anastasia
    I”m a little puzzled by the tone of your post in response to mine.

    You seem to be angry at me or to regard me as being an opponent.

    Or maybe the angry tone I’m detecting was directed at how Johnson conducts his blog?

    You said, “As you know, there are non-Christians, even agnostics, in the DI.”

    Actually, I didn’t know that. I wasn’t really sure who they were.

    What I did know, from having skimmed over a page at their site a long time ago, is that the conspiracy-theory portrayal of them by people such as Charles Johnson over some “wedge document” was false.

    In the Intelligent Design camp, I am aware that not all IDers are theists.

    I have read that there are some agnostics etc among IDers – which makes Johnson’s depiction of all IDers as being Bible- thumping Christians inaccurate and untrue (I happen to be a Bible- thumping Christian who rejects macro evolution myself 🙂 ).

    Comment by rainydayweather — December 19, 2008 @ 7:37 pm

  89. #68 WrathofG-d

    I read your entire post, #68.

    I’m sorry you were treated unfairly and rudely. That’s par the course for anyone who doesn’t follow the LGF party line, sadly.

    I hope you consider posting here now!

    Regarding your comment,

    I do not believe that anything I said was untrue, but I picked an incorrect venue to express those beliefs.

    Wrath, there really is no such thing as a “correct venue” with Johnson.

    If you had posted your criticisms of his blog anywhere else -at your own blog or at someone else’s or in a letter to your grandma- and if he found out about it, he would have banned you for it.

    Johnson has banned other people from LGF merely for posting to blogs he does not like.

    In one case, Johnson banned one lady, a long time member, who defended (yes defended!) him and LGF because she posted this defense at a blog that was being critical of him and LGF.

    It was a blog Johnson didn’t like, and it didn’t matter to him that she was posting nice things about him there.

    One reason there is a link to WND (“World Net Daily”) on this blog in the column at the site is because Johnson banned all WND content from his blog because he started hating WND.

    So I asked a moderator here to post a link to it, as I thought it would be funny to link to a blog Johnson hates.

    You said,

    After contacting Charles in private and showing that he misunderstood my post, I was reinstated. He thereafter on the next open thread (IIRC) made some false comment about how I got back in by begging, pleading, and kissing butt. I showed the proper amount of respect I held for him and his blog, but I surely didn’t beg, plead, or kiss butt.

    He’s done that with other people, too, including Robert Spencer of ‘Jihad Watch.’

    I have no respect for dishonest people, for people who deliberately misrepresent the words and views of the people they’re complaining about, and Johnson does this far, far too often.

    #69 Tex Taylor said,

    Fringe groups are a collection of people that thinks it no big deal to ordain gays as pastors

    Sadly, it’s not just the fringe groups but also some mainline denominations who have strayed from biblical teachings on issues.

    (There are some big denominations that have ordained practicing homosexuals as pastors, for example. Some in these big denominations run around these days saying Jesus was not literally raised from the dead, they believe that the Bible is filled with errors, etc)

    #77 Born Again Bible Believer from Sweden

    Just so people are aware:
    The folks at wayoflife.org condone “KJV Onlyism,” which is not a biblical teaching

    (Though I refuse to get into debates about this with KJV Only advocates, at it is a huge – and I mean HUGE- waste of time).

    In turn, their support of KJV Onlyism does not automatically mean that their views on other topics are wrong. 🙂

    I do agree with some of their positions on other matters.

    But I do feel the need to warn folks that the “wayoflife.org” people do support an incorrect view of the Bible and Bible translations/ versions. 🙂

    (And I’ll probably post this same disclaimer again if I see any more references to “wayoflife.org.”)

    #76 revparadigm

    Exactly what you said 🙂

    I do not see the horror of some kid coming to believe in Jesus.

    What is the worst that’s going to happen: he’s going to start donating his time at a soup kitchen helping to feed the hungry? Hand out blankets to the cold homeless lying on the sidewalks? Sing songs in his church choir on Sundays? Give me a break!

    #77 coward and I admit it wrote,

    “I studiously avoid the evolution threads because I can’t just go along and I know I’ll get banned if I speak up.”

    That is precisely one reason the original LGF became the joke it is.

    Instead of being able to speak up freely, you feel as though you have to self-censor so you won’t get The Boot. It’s sad.

    #86 Bob in Breckenridge —
    Re: open registeration at LGF.

    Given my sense of humor, I would be tempted to sign up at LGF again (even though it makes me sick to visit there) because it would be fun to see how long I could last before getting banned.

    Comment by rainydayweather — December 19, 2008 @ 8:00 pm

  90. WrathofG-d, thank you for elaborating on your experience(s). You probably don’t know me, but I was banned for paying a compliment. I said “wow, you guys rock socks all the way to the laundry hamper” in reference to the warm welcome I received after I registered. I was banned shortly after that with Charles posting a comment by my link that said “It appears someone is bragging”. I was like WTF?? But in retrospect, I remember I was just beginning a conversation about Creationism, so that was probably the REAL reason he banned me, but I mean it was within MINUTES of starting it, so that shows me he has NO tolerance for it. After that I watched the conversations turn into a paranoid “who was the sock-puppet” thread. It was ludicrous…and sad. In that instance I saw the group think that I detest, and I saw a willingness by all to accept whatever explanation Charles gives them as “fact”. It’s quite scary…I think he’s dangerous in that he beats people into submission, and by group pressure/influence, and may actually be successful in changing people’s “beliefs”. I think he’s on a mission to do so regarding matters of faith. Anyway, I digress…I think in banning you, they may have just played their last veiled hand, in that their animus towards ANY evolution dissent is revealed because you are are a proven non “sock puppet” (a bona-fide lizard). To me, that is the warning bell that rings the loudest. They’re willing to turn on their own in a true “survival of the fittest” form. The die has been cast so to speak and the lines have been boldly drawn. From where I am sitting (and I read the whole thread), you appear to have been the adult in asking one simple question….”Find me a thread where most DISAGREE with Charles”. Look at it this way…you are FREE!! Congratulations. You should wear your ban as a badge of honor because you dared to dissent. I’m gathering you are a person of faith, and in that vein, I’m assuming you believe that ALL things happen for a reason. And in this case, I would see it as gift from the heavens.

    Enjoy your PEACEFUL (sans lgf) night tonight.

    Comment by tuffasnails — December 19, 2008 @ 8:28 pm

  91. #86 Bob in Breckenridge

    He has to fill the shelves again. It’s all drama.

    Comment by tuffasnails — December 19, 2008 @ 8:33 pm

  92. LGF tried to completely block me from even viewing the site, let alone disable my account. But since I have pppoe DSL with a non-static IP, all I have to do is reset my modem and presto, new IP and I could view the page again. I should just keep creating new accounts to get little jabs in on Killgore…hahah.

    Comment by revparadigm — December 19, 2008 @ 8:37 pm

  93. Rainyday,

    Sadly, it’s not just the fringe groups but also some mainline denominations who have strayed from biblical teachings on issues.

    Oh, I know that. I was making a point to Lex that fringe groups can include denominations calling themselves (Methodists, Episcopalians, Baptists, and Presbyterians.

    Comment by Tex Taylor — December 19, 2008 @ 8:41 pm

  94. #88- rainydayweather

    I’m glad I checked back in here tonight! I am so sorry if I sounded angry at YOU, and I thank you for asking me about it. I liked your post and was just adding to your defense of the notorious “Wedge Document,” which is nothing like the secret plan for setting up a Christian theocracy that LGF paints it to be.
    My angry tone was definitely NOT directed at you. It’s the result of a lot of pent up anger against LGF’s snip-insinuate-and-demonize “argumentation”. And the banning of Wrath has made me particularly cranky.

    Comment by Anastasia — December 19, 2008 @ 8:57 pm

  95. BTW, New anti-God thread up and running there with a new, never before seen angle.

    Comment by Bob in Breckenridge — December 19, 2008 @ 9:09 pm

  96. #94 Anastasia

    “My angry tone was definitely NOT directed at you. It’s the result of a lot of pent up anger against LGF’s snip-insinuate-and-demonize “argumentation”.”

    That’s what I thought it was but wasn’t sure. 🙂 Thanks for clearing it up and replying.

    #93 Tex

    “Oh, I know that. I was making a point to Lex that fringe groups can include denominations calling themselves (Methodists, Episcopalians, Baptists, and Presbyterians.”

    Ah, okay, I see what you were up to.

    Comment by rainydayweather — December 19, 2008 @ 9:11 pm

  97. Re: My 95…New Creationist thread posted and Sharmuta appears all of a sudden after being “away” all evening. Coincidence? I think not.

    Comment by Bob in Breckenridge — December 19, 2008 @ 9:13 pm

  98. My #97- With the third post.

    Comment by Bob in Breckenridge — December 19, 2008 @ 9:14 pm

  99. #95 Bob in Breckenridge

    BTW, New anti-God thread up and running there with a new, never before seen angle.

    As I seldom venture there (LGF) anymore… was your post sarcasm, as in, Johnson has created (yet again for the zillionth time) another blog entry bashing Creationism/ ID/ Christians?

    Comment by rainydayweather — December 19, 2008 @ 9:15 pm

  100. To Bob in Breckenridge

    Or, per your #97, are you saying that you think that Johnson posts under various screen names at LGF (such as “Sharmuta”)?

    Sorry for being slow and dense.

    I have read other people at other blogs and boards theorize that Johnson has several sock puppets that he posts under at LGF. If he does, that’s weird.

    If you’re the blog owner, why would you want to post as anyone but yourself?

    Comment by rainydayweather — December 19, 2008 @ 9:19 pm

  101. rdw- I still go back there to see what’s going on there for shits and giggles. Now he’s saying there’s some Islamic creationist who is also a freemason conspiracy kook.

    Comment by Bob in Breckenridge — December 19, 2008 @ 9:23 pm

  102. If you’re the blog owner, why would you want to post as anyone but yourself?

    Liberalism is a mental disorder!

    There is something seriously wrong with CJ.

    Comment by savagenation — December 19, 2008 @ 9:23 pm

  103. rdw and savage, I doubt that’s the case. They’re just ass-kissing sycophants of Chuckie’s. And I knew it right away when Sharmuta “woke up” from her slumber at the start of the anti-creation thread. It’s so obvious.

    Comment by Bob in Breckenridge — December 19, 2008 @ 9:27 pm

  104. Indeed, Bob.

    Comment by savagenation — December 19, 2008 @ 9:28 pm

  105. What does “LECH EM ELOHIM!” mean? Just curious.

    Comment by avideditor — December 19, 2008 @ 9:28 pm

  106. I have no idea avid.

    Comment by savagenation — December 19, 2008 @ 9:32 pm

  107. WrathofG-d said it back on comment 73 in this thread.

    Comment by avideditor — December 19, 2008 @ 9:35 pm

  108. #86 Bob in Breckenridge –

    OMG! OPEN REGISTRATION!!!1!!!

    EVERYONE RUN REGISTER!!!!!!!!1!

    WE MAY NEVER GET ANOTHER CHANCE!!!

    Wait, what were we talking about? Cookies? Man, I am so wasted. It’s really amazing I can still type/.

    Comment by DJM — December 19, 2008 @ 9:38 pm

  109. re 108 Hey DJM Glad to see you are still alive.WrathofG-d made an appearance on this thread read his comment I think it is good.

    Comment by avideditor — December 19, 2008 @ 9:40 pm

  110. I think I registered. Or maybe not. Whatever, Charles will be all morning trying to find my new nick. I bet he’ll even delete a few innocents thinking they might be me.

    I saw that avid. 🙂

    Comment by DJM — December 19, 2008 @ 9:41 pm

  111. Of course, that idiot Killgore Trout chimes in with this gem:

    It would also be funny if the Islamists and the “conservative” religious right were pushing in the same direction. Hey, they are! Hahahahaha!

    Comment by Bob in Breckenridge — December 19, 2008 @ 9:45 pm

  112. I am still blocked at LGF, I have not got around to reseting my IP. It so far has not been worth it. Don’t forget to post the havoc you cause here, after you are banned.

    Comment by avideditor — December 19, 2008 @ 9:46 pm

  113. The “conservative” religious right doesn’t saw your head off if you disagree with them…

    Trout is an idiot.

    Comment by DJM — December 19, 2008 @ 9:47 pm

  114. Kilgore is right that the exteme right and the exteme left are the same. I think he is wrong in his assumption that “‘conservative” religious right” are the extreme right.

    Comment by avideditor — December 19, 2008 @ 9:48 pm

  115. re 113 not yet I hope they saw off the heads of some Jihadis.

    Comment by avideditor — December 19, 2008 @ 9:49 pm

  116. Don’t worry, avid. I got two accounts there. I’ll email you a nick and pw.

    Comment by DJM — December 19, 2008 @ 9:51 pm

  117. And Sharmuta asks at 8:54:28:

    Wasn’t there one of the VB cartoons that was posted that had the Freemason symbol on it?

    Then Chuckie, who’s said NOTHING to this point, chimes in about a minute later with a link.

    Are the sheeple there that stupid that they cannot see this?

    Comment by Bob in Breckenridge — December 19, 2008 @ 10:06 pm

  118. re 117 Are you saying the LGFers are now conspiracy nut balls?

    Comment by avideditor — December 19, 2008 @ 10:09 pm

  119. Omg, I haven’t really read the comments at LGF in a long time. I just spent a few minutes reading the latest. Is this what LGF has sunk to? It’s “The View” with pansy-assed men instead liberal bitches. It’s pseudo-liberal mitches. Bizarro world. I bet they all wear mantyhose.

    Comment by DJM — December 19, 2008 @ 10:17 pm

  120. re 119 Yes LGF has sunk to great depths IMHO. When you are shocked about how low it has gone it just gets worse. I want the old LGF back. Charles please change your doctor I think the meds he gave you just make things worse.

    Comment by avideditor — December 19, 2008 @ 10:20 pm

  121. Comment by Bob in Breckenridge (#101):
    “Now he’s [Johnson is] saying there’s some Islamic creationist who is also a freemason conspiracy kook.”

    *groan* He’s still playing the “guilt by association” game (or maybe I’ve got the wrong logical fallacy title, and another one would be more fitting):

    ‘Because Christians and Muslims both believe in the creation account of the Bible, it therefore follows [using Johnson’s logic here] that Christians are just as violent, oppressive, and as prone to being conspiracy theory crackpots as are extermist Muslims.’

    ~Uh yeah, sure.

    Remind me again of how many Methodists, Catholics, Lutherans, Baptists, and Presbyterians were piloting the planes that slammed into the World Trade Center Towers and the Pentagon?

    What’s that, they were all fanatical Muslims? You don’t say!

    While you will, unfortunately, find some Christians who dabble in conspiracy theories, not all of them do.

    I know that famous Christian personalities author Hal Lindsey and tele-evangelist Van Impe believe that there are secret groups (e.g., the “Illuminati,” etc) who are working behind the scenes to create a one-world government.

    I share Lindsey’s and Van Impe’s overall prophecy views (in that I am a pre- tribulationst dispensationalist), but I do not believe in or appeal to conspiracy theories.

    I am a Christian, and I largely detest conspiracy theories.

    Johnson better not be going down this road where he’s going to start portraying all Christians as crazies who are similar to liberals who believe George Bush was behind 9/11.

    Just spotted Bob in Breckenridge’s #111

    Oh good grief, they’re already heading down that road, trying to make all Christians look like loons only because they too believe in the book of Genesis, as do some Muslims who believe in conspiracy theories.

    #113 DJM

    “The “conservative” religious right doesn’t saw your head off if you disagree with them…
    Trout is an idiot.”

    Precisely.

    Christians are not Johnson’s and Killgore’s enemies.

    Christians don’t mean them any harm, so why these guys have placed Christians in their cross-hairs is beyond me.

    Bob’s #117

    And Sharmuta asks at 8:54:28:

    Wasn’t there one of the VB cartoons that was posted that had the Freemason symbol on it?

    Then Chuckie, who’s said NOTHING to this point, chimes in about a minute later with a link.

    Are the sheeple there that stupid that they cannot see this?

    So now they’re trying to forge a link between kooky conspiracy theory loving Muslims and Neo-Nazism/ European Political Parties? That is quite a stretch.

    I thought the symbol to be on the look out for was a mullet hair cut 🙂

    ^(reference to previous LGF post someone here copied and pasted the other day where Johnson noted that some guy was sporting a certain kind of cross on his t-shirt and a mullet- and this made him suspicious!)

    #118 Avideditor
    That’s an interesting way of looking at it:

    Johnson & co. are trying to make other people look like conspiracy theory kooks when they themselves are engaging in such theories (i.e., spotting alleged Fascist/Neo Nazi conspiracies everywhere).

    I don’t know if that’s what ‘Bob in Breckenridge’ was getting at or not, but it’s an still interesting point.

    #105 avideditor

    Re: LECH EM ELOHIM

    Isn’t “Elohim” another word/name for God? As for the rest of it, I don’t know what it means.

    #119 DJM
    Don’t forget “MANties – Panties made just for men.”

    Or maybe you want to forget “Manties”. I wouldn’t blame you if you would.

    Comment by rainydayweather — December 19, 2008 @ 10:21 pm

  122. Manties works as a visual. Now, imagine those ‘manties’ clad men twisting their nipples to the music of “Goodbye Horses”. There. Now you have the average Charles worshiper commenting at LGF.

    Comment by DJM — December 19, 2008 @ 10:24 pm

  123. Hey Rainy Day Wether Great comment. But I disagree with this point “Christians are not Johnson’s and Killgore’s enemies”. Are you sure? They sure act like they are. I think they are both anti-G-d.

    Comment by avideditor — December 19, 2008 @ 10:27 pm

  124. #118 avid…Yes.

    Comment by Bob in Breckenridge — December 19, 2008 @ 10:30 pm

  125. re 122 I really did not want that visual in my head. The Manties site was bad enough. DJM you just drove me to drink. To life. Scotch is Great. Don’t worry I will not kill you if you disagree.

    Comment by avideditor — December 19, 2008 @ 10:31 pm

  126. #122 DJM

    “Now, imagine those ‘manties’ clad men twisting their nipples to the music of “Goodbye Horses”.”

    Nooooo! That’s worse than the Manties site. Now I’m going to have nightmares!

    #123 Avideditor
    I think you misunderstood my comment.

    When I said that ‘Christians are not Johnson’s and Killgore’s enemies,’ I meant that we Christians do not hate Johnson or Killgore, and we do not mean them any harm.

    I do think that from the view point of Johnson and Killgore that they consider Christians to be their enemies.

    Why they think that way, I have no idea.

    Comment by rainydayweather — December 19, 2008 @ 10:33 pm

  127. I’m going to bed while I’m still too drunk to remember what I typed in my last comment.

    Goodnight, all.

    Comment by DJM — December 19, 2008 @ 10:34 pm

  128. re 124 At least they are not troofer. Did you see the nut ball that commented on here saying that Al Queda is really Mossad? comment #5 on this thread http://littlegreenfootballs2.com/2008/12/19/gaza-ceasefire-ends/#comments

    Comment by avideditor — December 19, 2008 @ 10:34 pm

  129. re 127 Night DJM. Do yourself a favor and do not read the comment that you left before this one when you sober up.

    Comment by avideditor — December 19, 2008 @ 10:36 pm

  130. Then that idiot Salamantis chimes in with this brilliant thought-

    “The Masonic/Illuminati conspiracy has kept knowledge of the space aliens away from the American public! And I have numerological proof!

    The Roswell, New Mexico alien remains were moved from Hangar 18, in Wright-Patterson AFB near Dayton, Ohio, to Area 51, near Groom Lake Nevada.

    And what is 51-18?

    That’s right, it’s 33! The highest Masonic degree, and the only one that can be bestowed, but not earned.

    Coincidence? I don’t think so…(muttters darkly)”

    There are wackos coming out of the F’ing woodwork there. Does anyone take LGF seriously anymore?

    Comment by Bob in Breckenridge — December 19, 2008 @ 10:39 pm

  131. re 126 Why did you have to repeat that image? Thanks for the clarification.

    Comment by avideditor — December 19, 2008 @ 10:39 pm

  132. Re: 130 I hope not. That is not the Sal I once known. I thought Charles banned him before he banned me. I hope Sal is okay.

    Comment by avideditor — December 19, 2008 @ 10:41 pm

  133. Re: my #130…and speaking of ugly/creepy looking people who shouldn’t use their pic for their avatar…SALAMANTIS.

    Comment by Bob in Breckenridge — December 19, 2008 @ 10:41 pm

  134. It makes me wonder, is that is the same Sal.

    Comment by avideditor — December 19, 2008 @ 10:45 pm

  135. Someone has to explain to me how to be a true Conservative with all principles intact and reject all knowledge of God…then explain it to Killgore Guppy.

    What a ignorant knucklehead.

    Comment by revparadigm — December 19, 2008 @ 11:57 pm

  136. I want the old LGF back.

    Comment by avideditor — December 19, 2008 @ 10:20 pm

    Avid, get a grip. I started reading LGF in late 2002, then posting in 2003 (I was slightly intimidated back then, the posters were so knowledgeable). This junk about posting on dead threads? Geez, I remember the days when the front page didn’t fly by so quickly and some threads (dead, of course) lasted a week, with people commenting on them for as long as the thread was on the front page, and sometimes even into archives. Lots of really interesting, meaty discussions could be had on those old dead threads. And the ‘original’ dead threads were created by posters using the last thread of the night to post links (that was my newspaper back then, if you know what I mean, and was the genesis for the LGF Link Viewer), as well as the fact that LGF had posters from all over the world who were not locked in to USA time (being anti-jihad knows no time zone). So the dead thread comments were really quite interesting. But the main thing that has affected my view of LGF is the lack of humor. It was the various posters who made the site a good laugh. Iowahawk got his ‘start’ as a satirical poster there. Back in the Wild West saloon days AtS, there were some incredibly talented people writing serious — as well as humorous — thoughts with intelligence and proper punctuation. It was a treat to read, as some post would make you break out laughing while reading the monitor. Today, the humor is lacking, being starved to death by dogma like an unwanted Spartan child. And as with anything that’s free, if you can’t get a laugh, why bother? But it’s CJ’s site, his baby, to do as he pleases. Such is life.

    Comment by RickZ — December 20, 2008 @ 3:18 am

  137. Redwater
    #18
    Once Savage has the new features in place, there will be a seperate section for LGF stuff.

    Comment by Rodan — December 20, 2008 @ 4:26 am

  138. RickZ, ah the days of Aisha.

    Comment by arwynkafir — December 20, 2008 @ 6:33 am

  139. Tex–I know you’re just trying to make a point, but that’s why I insisted that these terms were very general. I also mentioned that many if not most Bible Churches are well withing mainstream beliefs. What else would you call those who want a complete break from “secular society”, churches that advocate their members having as many children as possible (there’s one locally like that here), and in general leading their lives like the families shown in “Jesus Camp”? I’ve met enough people like that not in the film (though class does play a divisive role in this all IMHO) to be convinced that they are real and that they are on the fringe of things, even considered so by people on my street who are very conservative and evangelical.

    I was pretty clear that many of the Bible Churches, and I’d even add another new group, the “Evangelical Free” group of churches, into that category, are frequently quite mainstream, just breaking off from established denominations. Never said that was always bad, just had to keep the terminology very general. I’d love to discuss further though Tex: theultimateinsult@gmail.com

    Bible believer–you just gave a great example of my “presuming to know the will and mind of G-d” belief. Not being a literalist doesn’t mean throwing things out. I even adhere to aspects of Scripture that others don’t. Meanwhile at my Southern family’s Baptist Church many of the women are rather over-adorned. Isn’t that a bit of Scripture being “thrown out” by a desire to over-do the mascara and jewelry? Whatever. Can’t we just agree that we both love and accept Christ with all our hearts and honor what He said was the “greatest commandment” (among His other teachings)?

    Comment by Lex, Agent of Chaos — December 20, 2008 @ 7:19 am

  140. One funny point here is that I’ve stated numerous times that I was an agnostic who had my Born Again experience in 2005, stated that I’m still learning and new at this. Shouldn’t then you more experienced Believers be witnessing to me rather than attacking? Explaining rather than going on the offensive with me? The attacks rather reinforce my decision to have joined the Roman Catholic Church (oh, and for “good works”, please check the Catechism for the Church’s true position on this subject, not Bill O’Reilly’s)

    My main question: If the devout Christians here had been raised in Muslim countries in devout Muslim homes rather than Christian ones would you not be defending with all your might your faith in Islam? Defending it just as fervently as you defend your Christian beliefs? Many Muslims also experience a strengthening or renewal of Faith, the “metanoia” or “change of mind/heart” as the Greek text speaks of in the Gospels and become very devout afterwards, much like Born Again Christians. Why then condemn them for doing the very same as you are doing, defending your Faith from the heart, with all your heart? And don’t throw the usual Suras at me or sections of the Sunnah about “crimes of Muhammad”, think about being in their shoes and answer honestly. How can you blame them when they come across sites like this for doing what you’re doing merely with another religion?

    Comment by Lex, Agent of Chaos — December 20, 2008 @ 7:48 am

  141. Hopefully, my conscience would win out over the religious based bigoted mindset.

    As a woman, if I believed that women were property and that their brothers, fathers and uncles had a right to kill them for the decisions they make, my heart would soar to learn that in other cultures they don’t have that right.

    And I would make my way to them.

    Comment by arwynkafir — December 20, 2008 @ 8:08 am

  142. arwynkafir,

    I was there for the Globular Cluster thread. And I tried to avoid ‘the Passion of the Christ’ melee. It was after the 2004 election the ban stick started coming out, remolding the site. Of course, now the ‘monitor lizards’ do their damnedest to help in that remolding.

    Comment by RickZ — December 20, 2008 @ 9:08 am

  143. “Monitor lizards”….that’s the best one I’ve heard yet since I found out that “Sharmuta” is Arabic for “whore”!

    Comment by Lex, Agent of Chaos — December 20, 2008 @ 9:12 am

  144. #140 Lex – For one thing, when Christians, Hindus, Buddhist or even Atheists defend their faith, it doesn’t usually involve killing the person who disagrees, or killing innocent people as a way to express their outrage that anyone would reject their god and/or messenger.

    Nor do faiths other than islam routinely & systematically resort to acts of terrorism for the sole purpose of imposing their own belief system on others.

    Nor do faiths other than islam routinely & systematically stone accused women to death, hang gays, molest children, rape children, rape non-believing women, support modern day slavery, sell young daughters to old men, send children out to martyr themselves (and then celebrate when the child is killed), commit the most cruel executions, torture, protect their family “honour” by brutally slaughtering their daughters, use their holy scriptures to justify abusing women and the intolerance of non-believers, or sacrifice their children for the sake of jihad, martyrdom, 72 virgins, or money – all in the name of their god.

    There is a stark difference between how civilized people defend their belief systems and how muslimes defend theirs.

    Comment by DJM — December 20, 2008 @ 10:18 am

  145. re 144 Glad to see you are alive and well.

    Comment by avideditor — December 20, 2008 @ 10:43 am

  146. DJM–I know the record seems overwhelming of violence by Muslims, and the percentage of Muslims willing to turn to violence need to be stopped, preferably from within the religion itself. Consider also though the growing Hindu nationalist movement. The quite real problem of child molestation and sexual predation that exists in the U.S. further is not generally perpetrated by Muslims but by Godless freaks of nature who can’t even be rehabilitated. Nothing to do with religion but I dare you to state that it’s not a problem that should be more of a priority with regard to our laws. Focusing on Islam blinds people to the sprees of non-religious murder in our own society among other things.

    Then again, you threw out the standard arguments. You didn’t put yourself in the shoes of someone raised Muslim as I asked. I want to see anyone in the counter-jihadi side just attempt this! Just to understand why Muslims respond to sites like this in anger and not by saying,”Gee they’re right, I’m going to start an army myself and stop al-Qaeda RIGHT NOW!!”. That’s all I asked!

    And for the record, I have questioned and and even debated religion with many Muslims offline and still have my head intact as well as my family’s well being. No one responded with violence to me. Funny, eh?

    Comment by Lex, Agent of Chaos — December 20, 2008 @ 10:43 am

  147. Avid: Salamantis is probably a monitor lizard or salamander or whatever the hell he is. He doesn’t show up often on what anti-islamist threads remain on LGF but he’s on every single creationism thread.

    And I agree with Bob in Breckinridge, the dude is creepy looking. Makes me think of “Uncle Ernie” from the rock opera “Tommy”.

    Eventually I will decloak and you all will know the masked fish eagle’s LGF identity. I’m trying to figure out a way to go out in a blaze of glory. Sad part is there are a lot of people still on LGF that I like, but not the BrownNoser Brigade of Killgore Trout, Sharmuta, Salamantis et. al.

    Comment by The Osprey — December 20, 2008 @ 10:52 am

  148. #146 – “seems overwhelming”?

    Are you aware that virtually every act of terrorism is committed by muslims?

    That a majority of all major world conflicts involve muslims?

    That almost all religious-based terrorist groups are muslims?

    Religious violence doesn’t “seem” overwhelmingly muslim, it IS overwhelmingly muslim.

    And the fact is, as long as people try to deny Islam is the root of terrorism, we will never defeat terrorism. Anyone who defends Islam – muslim or not – is complicit in global terrorism.

    Comment by DJM — December 20, 2008 @ 10:55 am

  149. And Lex, the problem with your argument about child molestation and sexual predation in America is that it is, in fact, ILLEGAL here. Personally, I think the penalties should be much harsher. But the fact remains is that it is illegal.

    In islamic countries, it is legal to molest and rape a child. It is only an “infraction” if the perpetrator is not married to the victim. It is legal to kill women who have been accused (not proven) of dishonoring her family. Parents have the right to kill their offspring or sell them. And women have no rights.

    How can you equate an islamic society with America? That only illustrates your ignorance when it comes to islam.

    Comment by DJM — December 20, 2008 @ 11:00 am

  150. “And the fact is, as long as people try to deny Islam is the root of terrorism, we will never defeat terrorism”.

    Comment by DJM — December 20, 2008 @ 10:55 am

    EXACTLY. EXACTLY. EXACTLY.

    Jihad terrorism is not some “Muslims behaving badly”…THEY ARE THE TRUE OBEDIENT MUSLIMS. I watched the movie “Traitor” recently and in a dialog between two CIA agents, where one bemoans Jihadists proclaiming blowing up people and themselves to glorify Allah and receive their 72 virgins in paradise as some “screwed up sh_t”, the other agent responds with “well in Christianity the KKK burned crosses on the lawns of colored people and my dad went around putting them out…there is messed up people in every religion”.

    Typical fallacy put forth by Islamic apologists & ignorance in general.

    Where does the bible tell Christians to burn crosses on the lawns of colored, or be racist in principle? Scripture is quite plain there is no such thing as races.

    “And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation…”
    Acts 17:26

    Or to consider the outward appearance as any kind of indication of a person’s heart. So does the KKK have to do with Christianity & Bible? “Well they say they are Christians”. Well I can say I’m Superman, but if I’m not flying around faster than a speeding bullet, able to jump tall buildings in a single bound, as strong as a locomotive…I WOULD BE LYING.

    Does the Qur’an teach Jihad is violent terrorism against un submissive non believers…and did Muhammad act this way, with his followers practicing this?

    YES.

    Qur’an:33:22
    “Among the Believers are men who have been true to their covenant with Allah and have gone out for Jihad. Some have completed their vow to extreme and have been martyred fighting and dying in His Cause, and some are waiting, prepared for death in battle.”

    In fact the Qur’an berates Muslims “who just sit at home and receive no injuries” doing their duty in Jihad.

    Qur’an:4:95
    “Not equal are those believers who sit at home and receive no injurious hurt, and those who strive hard, fighting Jihad in Allah’s Cause with their wealth and lives. Allah has granted a rank higher to those who strive hard, fighting Jihad with their wealth and bodies to those who sit at home. Unto each has Allah promised good, but He prefers Jihadists who strive hard and fight above those who sit home. He has distinguished his fighters with a huge reward.”

    I could post so many definitive verses from the Qur’ran on this subject, IN PROPER CONTEXT no less, but for the sake of a shorter post…I’ll pass.

    Now tell me, who are the obedient Muslims and who are the disobedient ones?

    Violent Jihadists or peaceful Muslims?

    Peace in Islam is not defined in the same terms as Christianity does, nor parallels basic concepts in any Western Culture. The context of Islamic peace is when the religion has conquered and the people of the land submit.

    Qur’an:2:216
    “Jihad is ordained for you Muslims, though you dislike it. But it is possible that you dislike a thing which is good for you, and like a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knows, and you know not. Warfare is ordained for you.”

    Comment by revparadigm — December 20, 2008 @ 11:45 am

  151. “dialog between two CIA agents”…I meant

    2 two to too tu

    Comment by revparadigm — December 20, 2008 @ 11:46 am

  152. #151 – I fixed it for ya!

    Good post!

    Comment by DJM — December 20, 2008 @ 11:57 am

  153. Would people please stop saying “it is Charles’s web site and he can do what he wants with it” unless you then ridicule CJ’s efforts to get private business to kow-tow to his own beliefs? And, if you remove the business-related pressure that CJ applies, you will remove the majority of his content.

    Charles has the power, mechanical and legal to ban someone, but his doing so is not necessarily morally neutral, any more than the decisions made by CNN are morally neutral.

    Comment by sk — December 20, 2008 @ 12:30 pm

  154. Lex said:

    Then again, you threw out the standard arguments. You didn’t put yourself in the shoes of someone raised Muslim as I asked. I want to see anyone in the counter-jihadi side just attempt this! Just to understand why Muslims respond to sites like this in anger and not by saying,”Gee they’re right, I’m going to start an army myself and stop al-Qaeda RIGHT NOW!!”. That’s all I asked!

    And for the record, I have questioned and and even debated religion with many Muslims offline and still have my head intact as well as my family’s well being. No one responded with violence to me. Funny, eh?

    I agree it is not their fault if they were born into that religion. That is why this is primarily a spiritual battle. Christians must pray for Muslims and for the defeat of the spiritual agency behind this lie. However as a civil society and culture we must defend ourselves from this darkness, just as we would Facism or Communism. Your choice of the Catholic branch of Christianity is yours to make. I am not a Catholic basher. However the Catholic church is based upon the idea of direct apostolic succession from Christ to Peter and thence on to all the Popes.

    This is a perversion of what Christ said when he told Peter (after Peter confessed that Christ was the Son of God and Savior) then Christ says you are Petra (little stone) upon this PETROS (Rock…large rock, even bedrock) I will build my church and the gates of Hell will not prevail upon this. Christ meant the church would be built upon the Rock of REVELATION that He is the Christ.

    Nobody should submit their will and direction of their life to other men, but only via a revelation of the Lord to themselves. He may indeed direct you to submit to other people for your spiritual education…but it better damn well be by revelation, otherwise you can be led astray, deceived, fill your life with worthless dead works, never perceive God by revelation, never really understand how do you become a transformed human being with His nature. You cannot read the history of the Popes and by any stretch of the imagination think some of these men knew God at all. Some were very evil.

    It is possible to hear the voice of the Lord like someone right in the room with you. To receive specific revelation and knowledge of your own destiny and that of others or even of nations. God does talk to people, however most do not hear Him, because they are not listening. And I am not talking about a subtle voice in your mind. In fact if you do not attain to the mystical side of Christianity, then Christianity is pretty rigid, and dead. Paul said it best: “If Christ is NOT resurrected then we preach a lie, and are the most miserable of men.” The importance of this statement is that Christ is alive and so can be heard and related to. If not then a Christian walk is a miserable experience of pain, denial and suffering.

    If I can offer a suggestion read some C.S. Lewis for starters. I suggest “The Great Divorce.” About a bus trip from Hell to Heaven. Very good story, but filled with insight and will help open the mystical side of a Christian walk.

    Comment by Jehu — December 20, 2008 @ 1:31 pm

  155. #154 Jehu – “If I can offer a suggestion read some C.S. Lewis for starters. I suggest “The Great Divorce.” About a bus trip from Hell to Heaven. Very good story, but filled with insight and will help open the mystical side of a Christian walk.”

    I loved Lewis’ concept of the afterlife in the “Chronicles of Narnia.” Also, I loved his anti-Islam slant!

    I will check out “The Great Divorce”.

    Comment by DJM — December 20, 2008 @ 3:05 pm

  156. Jehu–you alone almost started with trying to understand and then began bashing MY religious choice! Honestly! When I became a Christian people seemed happy; since I became a Catholic it’s been a bash fest! Hold your horses!

    OK, do not call me ignorant about Islam. I know the truth, I just also know that those terrorists don’t represent all MUSLIMS. Big difference. My original question stands. Just imagine it for a minute, being born into a Muslim family in a Muslim country (or even in this one) and then coming across comments like those here. Would you not lash out? That’s all I’m asking.

    DJM–I’m for MUCH stiffer penalties as well. Being illegal is doing little to stop the mayhem.

    Comment by Lex, Agent of Chaos — December 20, 2008 @ 4:50 pm

  157. #68- Wrath of G-d, I read the whole LGF thread and, as far as I can see, it was exactly the way you described it. This does not surprise me since I have always been impressed with your sincerity and honesty.
    Just as there are certain commenters who are “scroll-overs,” there are some who are “scroll-TOs,” and for me, you were in the latter category. I especially appreciated all of the great links you gave us. Whether they were to news stories or music, I knew they’d be worth a hit.
    Thanks for all you shared and may G-d bless you! (other nic at LGF, btw)

    Comment by Anastasia — December 20, 2008 @ 4:51 pm

  158. Hey, Lex! You asked about the “Sharmuta and the Pirates” thread. It was the Hey Mom, I’m Peer-Reviewed (or similar title) one from last Saturday. Start in the high 100’s……Lo Flyer gets the axe in the early 200’s, IIRC, but the anti-pirate crusade goes on well into the 400’s. (Yes, I should have written this down.) The outrage is directed at the irrepressible Cognito and Noam Sayin’, neither of whom are quite willing to damn little boys to hell for playing Jack Sparrow in their backyard.
    Granted that Sharmuta is absolutely correct that REAL piracy is not the least bit amusing,it is nevertheless a textbook case of Puritan sanctimony and prosaic stolidness gone wild.

    I don’t think the pirate talk was what got Lo banned, BTW. (The offensive comment has been deleted.)

    Comment by Anastasia — December 20, 2008 @ 5:06 pm

  159. Lex, I don’t think terrorist represent all muslims. But plenty of the “bad parts” of islam are backed by governments (saudi arabia, iran are two nice examples of paradise), so the “tiny minority” concept is dangerous. I’m all for muslims that are happy just being, and are not trying to force their religion on everyone else (by sword and more). They need to explain to the future jihadi fellow muslim that everyone doesn’t have to submit to allah for there to be peace in this world, instead of trying to convince us that they don’t exist.

    I do agree that the comments you’re talking about can be a little over the top. I’ve cringed at a few. But just imagine for a minute, being born into freedom of/from religion and then finding out there are those that want to take you out because you believe in a different god or none at all. The religion that allows no dissent is always called the victim and the community that is built on subjugating women and dhimmis now scream that they are discriminated against. And the more evidence of this that keeps piling up the harder the media, the one-worlders and your very own government tries to tell the populace that the very same religion you learned about is a religion of peace. Would you not lash out?

    Comment by arwynkafir — December 20, 2008 @ 5:40 pm

  160. Re: 158- But the pirate talk was annoying, at least to me…

    Comment by Bob in Breckenridge — December 20, 2008 @ 5:41 pm

  161. Re: 158- But the pirate talk was annoying, at least to me…But I did like Loflyer as a poster.

    Comment by Bob in Breckenridge — December 20, 2008 @ 5:42 pm

  162. Soooo THAT is why I was banned!

    Whilst debating the abortion issue in a logical manner and making sure that i stuck to the centre and resisting the urge to move to the fringes, I was winning the debate hands down with Shamuta. Then Charlie boy rode in and made some comments. I responded again using a purely logical argument and completely undercut Charlie’s argument.

    At that point ol’ Chuckles started slinging shit my way and I innocently said that Johnson had effectively ‘scuppered’ his side of the debate by having to resort to ad hominem attacks. At NO TIME was i offensive. I just used logic to win a debate and apparently making CJ lose face in front of his throng was just too much for his delicate psyche so …. WHAMO!

    Banned! hehehe

    Man was it really worth it! YES IT WAS

    Would i do anything differently if i had the debate to argue all over again knowing now what I know about Chuckles? NO I WOULDN’T!

    The poor guy seemed to reach a nadir about 3-4 months ago when his terminally ill mother too a turn for the worse. There were a LOT of Christian folks praying for her and then overnight Johnson told them all to cease and desist under threat of ‘excommunication’ from his blog. His anti-Christian phase seems to have been started about that time.

    Since that time he has obviously suffered some sort of mental meltdown. The LGF site now has all of the hallmarks of a personality cult. Any current denizens of the LGF site should stay well away from the Koolade!

    LGF is not a good place to be for anyone who is not into cults and group think. Better off out of it as there are plenty of better blogs about if one wants to comment to one’s peers on items of interest.

    Comment by Aussie Infidel — December 20, 2008 @ 6:00 pm

  163. There were a LOT of Christian folks praying for her and then overnight Johnson told them all to cease and desist under threat of ‘excommunication’ from his blog.

    Can you or someone link to this? I’d like to read that.
    Mucho gracias

    Comment by theparson — December 20, 2008 @ 6:13 pm

  164. Aussie Infidel….

    Better off out of it as there are plenty of better blogs about if one wants to comment to one’s peers on items of interest.

    When the DNS servers for this site are propagated, well, let me say you will LOVE the changes.

    Comment by savagenation — December 20, 2008 @ 6:23 pm

  165. Hy Parson.

    The guy who was there at the time is a very close confidant of Johnson and knows him personally. If i gave you details then he would be ‘toast’ as far as Johnson would be concerned.

    I won’t give you details as that would scupper his personal relationship with Chuckles and that would not be right from my perspective. I don’t meddle in other folks friendships by passing on hearsay. That’s just not right.

    Sorry mate but that’s the way it has to be.

    Cheers, 🙂

    Comment by Aussie Infidel — December 20, 2008 @ 6:42 pm

  166. mwahaha

    That’s pretty much the way I was bootd. Chucky could’t help the fact that most medical doctors rejectthe atheistic version of evolution (the ones taught in schools), and banned me for “beying a liar”.

    Ahh.. WrathofG-D being banned sure brings back memories…..

    Comment by Mats — December 20, 2008 @ 6:45 pm

  167. The deep throat at the coal face at LGF and I communicated by e-mail and this was not discussed on the blog! He too has terminal cancer and i don’t want to cause him any grief at this time.

    Just needed to clear that up.

    Comment by Aussie Infidel — December 20, 2008 @ 6:45 pm

  168. Sorry mate but that’s the way it has to be.

    Gotcha! Not a problem.

    Comment by theparson — December 20, 2008 @ 7:05 pm

  169. Well, have Daily Kos and LGF found their common ground yet?
    Just a matter of time.

    Comment by interestinconundrum — December 20, 2008 @ 7:13 pm

  170. I was banned from LGF today for asking Charles if he believed muslims were a face, which they are not (on a post about blatant racism @ the Tea parties) then I asked him if he was one of those that thought any critisism of Obama was racist. No reply…just good bye.

    Comment by fesick — September 17, 2009 @ 2:03 pm

  171. I was banned a coupla months ago for pointing out that not all people who defy the global warming hysteria are morons. Frankly by that time I’d pretty much had it with Charles’ small-mindedness.

    I just found this from “Conservatism Today” on a ranking of best conservative blogs:

    22. Little Green Footballs

    I no longer endorse lgf. I saw what was good about the site, and missed what was not. What is not is not on the side of individual liberty and limited government, and I apologize for those who I have wrongly steered there.(4/18/09)

    Then I googled “lgf sucks” and here I am.

    Comment by arcatan — November 3, 2009 @ 2:52 pm

  172. I was just banned today, after a very long absence from LGF. I haven’t as much time for the internet as I used to, and I hadn’t seen the change of ideology coming from the readership.

    I don’t think LGFsucks. I like many many of the people there, and appreciate the outpost of conservativism that was LGF for a very long time. That was due to Charles’ stewardship, and I think it’s incorrect not to mention that in one’s posts.

    But yes, it seems to be an ego thing when I dared to mention that Nov 4 2009 was the first day in a whole year I felt like celebrating politically. As the posts came pouring in, mostly from more left-leaning posters, I felt an enormous buzzkill and said so.

    Hence the banning, I think. Ah well. Should you have need to contact me, please come to my blog, and post something. I’ll get the notification.

    It was great whilst it lasted!

    Cheers,
    Victoria

    Comment by vbspurs — November 3, 2009 @ 9:21 pm

  173. No, I’ve been unbanned, maybe temporarily, but I’m grateful all the same since it allows me to defend myself towards those who . As I said, I go there for the links, the chat with fellow users and I think it’s great that Charles isn’t an ideologue for either side. Personality issues be damned. We’re adults and can take it.

    Cheers,
    Victoria

    Comment by vbspurs — November 3, 2009 @ 9:34 pm

  174. While Charles may not be an ideologue for either side he remains a self styled ideologue and the dialogue there tends toward a very narrow range of insight with rabid intolerance for deviation from the collective position as dictated by CJ.

    So now he’s dressing up as a centrist, since the election of The One he appears to have taken a turn to the left. Today he declares: “Hot Air may have put me in their “Left Channels,” but Think Progress still categorizes me as a ‘conservative’ blogger”. That’s ok but narrow-mindedness is a pretty poor quality in a centrist … he’ll keep his loyal fans but no one is going to take his seriously anymore. That is, unless one of his associates again gifts him with something as significant as memogate.

    Comment by arcatan — November 4, 2009 @ 1:24 am

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